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Register To Vote, And Send Voltage To DNC Convention.

Michael Tiffany — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 06:57:20 EDT

Register to vote, and send Voltage to play at the Democratic National Convention. We have songs that are perfect for the event already written, and I am already the number one democrat at the DNC.

WHAT THE MSM WON'T SHOW ABOUT MCBUSH

Sun, 22 Jun 2008 08:58:13 EDT

WHAT THE MSM WON'T SHOW ABOUT MCBUSHComplete List of McCain Flip-Flops (so far) Saturday, June 21, 2008 2:42 PM

* McCain supported the drilling moratorium
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/16/AR2008061602148.html
now he's against it.

* McCain strongly opposes a windfall-tax on oil company profits. Three
weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/18/mccains-offshore-drilling_n_107872.html

* McCain thought Bush's warrantless-wiretap program circumvented the law
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15781.html now he
believes the opposite.

* McCain defended "privatizing
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15863.html " Social
Security. Now he says he's against privatization (though he actually
still supports it.)

* McCain wanted to change
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/10/mccain-flips-on-abortion_n_101115.html
the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of
rape and incest. Now he doesn't.

* McCain thought the estate tax
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15825.html was perfectly
fair. Now he believes the opposite.

* He opposed indefinite detention
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15864.html of terrorist
suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called
it "one of the worst decisions in the history of this country."

* McCain said he would "not impose a litmus test
http://www.americablog.com/2008/06/now-mccain-is-flip-flopping-on-judges.html
on any nominee." He used to promise the opposite.

* McCain believes the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in
the administration's warrantless surveillance program as a condition for
retroactive immunity
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/28/AR2008052802967.html.
He used to believe the opposite.

* McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/may/28/mccains-about-face-yucca/
in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain supported moving "towards normalization of relations
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15617.html with Cuba.
Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Hamas
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15557.html. Now he
believes the opposite.

* McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Syria
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15564.html Now he
believes the opposite.

* He argued the NRA should not have a role
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15573.html in the
Republican Party's policy making. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/20/mccains-97-lobbyist-bill_n_102662.html
from 1997. Now he doesn't.

* He wanted political support from radical televangelists like John
Hagee and Rod Parsley
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15633.html Now he doesn't.

* McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15699.html to combat
global warming. Now he doesn't.

* McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any
circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a
"'read my lips' candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?" referring to
George H.W. Bush's 1988 pledge. "No new taxes," McCain responded. Two
weeks later, McCain said
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14761.html "I'm not
making a 'read my lips' statement, in that I will not raise taxes."

* McCain is both for and against a "rogue state rollback
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/mccain-rewrites.html
as a focus of his foreign policy vision.

* McCain says he considered and did not consider
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14818.html joining John
Kerry's Democratic ticket in 2004.

* In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut
underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide
resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15033.html a
$0.61-per-pack tax increase, won't commit to supporting a regulation
bill he's co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris' former lobbyist as
his senior campaign adviser.

* McCain has changed his economic worldview on multiple occasions
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15337.html

* McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence
in Iraq on multiple occasions
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15370.html

* McCain is both for and against
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15358.html attacking
Barack Obama over his former pastor at his former church.

* McCain believes Americans are both better and worse off
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/19/mccain-economy-bloomberg/ than
they were before Bush took office.

* McCain is both for and against
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/06/mccain-earmark/ earmarks for Arizona.

* McCain believes his endorsement from radical televangelist John Hagee
was both a good and bad
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/21/hagee-flip-flop/ idea.

* McCain's first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that
homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn't be "rewarded" for acting
"irresponsibly." His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite
position http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15176.html

* McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of
his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/16/us/politics/16mccain.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
to reach that goal.

* In February 2008, McCain reversed course
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/10/emtimeem-has-mccain-flip_n_96179.html
on prohibiting waterboarding.

* McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071031/NATION/110310071/1001
even volunteering to testify on the treaty's behalf before a Senate
committee. Now he opposes it.

* McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071031/NATION/110310071/1001
which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants' kids who graduate
from high school. Now he's against it.

* On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008
that he would vote against his own legislation
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14447.html

* In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying
coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving
"feedback" on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that
he opposes his own measure
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9658.html

* McCain said before the war in Iraq, "We will win this conflict. We
will win it easily." Four years later, McCain said he knew all along
http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/jan/05/olbermann_crowns_mccain_worst_persons_for_flip_flopping
that the war in Iraq war was "probably going to be long and hard and tough."

* McCain said he was the "greatest critic" of Rumsfeld's failed Iraq
policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as "a mission
accomplished." In March 2004, he said, "I'm confident we're on the right
course http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/mccain-greatest-critic/
In December 2005, he said, "Overall, I think a year from now, we will
have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course."

* McCain went from saying he would not support repeal
http://mediamatters.org/items/200610310003 of Roe v. Wade to saying
the exact opposite http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/19/mccain-abortion/

* McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/8809.html , to saying gay
marriage shouldn't be allowed
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/02/mccain200702?printable=true¤tPage=all

* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as "an agent of
intolerance" in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/6988.html who said
Americans "deserved" the 9/11 attacks.

* McCain used to oppose Bush's tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he
reversed course
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/6731.html in February.

* On a related note, he said 2005 that he opposed the tax cuts because
they were "too tilted to the wealthy
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/03/us/politics/03mccain.html?ref=us
By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and insisted he opposed the
cuts because of increased government spending.

* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of
being corrupt, spending "dirty money" to help finance Bush's
presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the
Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out
at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=1880630&page=1

* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his
name. In June 2007, he abandoned http://www.nysun.com/article/36949
his own legislation.

* McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he
supported it
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20070115/pl_usnw/dnc__mccain_spends_mlk_holiday_pandering_to_the_far_right

* McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones
University before he was for it
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/8313.html

* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he's pro-ethanol
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15637887/

* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate
flag http://mediamatters.org/items/200610310003

* McCain decided http://nymag.com/news/people/24750/index5.html in
2000 that he didn't want anything to do with former Secretary of State
Henry Kissinger, believing he "would taint the image of the 'Straight
Talk Express.'" Kissinger is now the Honorary Co-Chair
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/19/mccain-kissinger/ for his
presidential campaign in New York.

The DNC cuts PartyBuilder group members

John — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:35:52 EDT

A wholesale wipe out has been done to hundreds of PartyBuilder group memberships. I admin a group that has 275 members and now shows only 25. Is this payback from the Obama loyalists? It was wrong for the DNC to do this without warning. This smacks of just what many of us have been putting up with for 7 years from the Republicans. Shame shame shame DNC. You wanted us to grow the party and get involved and then you use this heavy handed Republican style move. Amazing!

"Baracks talk to the nation after he is elected"

Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:58:59 EDT

"Baracks talk to the nation after he is elected"

Baracks Bills -
1. 2006 Transparency bill = expose corrupt lobby $ that lobbyist give to politicians so we the people can either impeach them or not re-elect them

2. TECH PLAN = 2007 = http://www.USAspending.gov = expose all government spending so the citzens can see where their tax money goes

3. 2008 = SUNSHINE bill = SUNLIGHT FOUNDATION = http://www.sunlightfoundation.com/ = http://www.sunshineweek.org/sunshineweek/candidates = EXPOSE future spending. This is acomplished as Barack and his newly elected cabinet point out to WE THE PEOPLE , negative porkbarrel spending so we the people can rally against a certain senator or congress person or committee to stop it before it goes up for vote or support it if it is good for we the people = honest government finally controlled by WE THE PEOPLE.

Who knows maybe one day in the future we won't need politicians as we the people stay involved in what is going on in all 3 branches of government and we use the computer to approve the direction of our country / government.

Barack will be holding weekly / monthly speeches, to WE THE PEOPLE, guiding them as to which negative earmark / porkbarrel spending should be stopped (removed from a future bill) by the people rallying together online before a bill with that earmark goes up for vote!
..................................

Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL)

Obama has outlined an ambitious transparency plan that incorporates technology to "help connect government to its citizens and engage citizens in a democracy."

Among the proposals in Obama's plan to open government are: putting government data online in accessible formats; airing live webcasts of agency meetings; restoring scientific integrity; allowing people to track federal grants, contracts, earmarks and lobbyist contacts online; and allowing five days for public to review and comment on legislation online before its signed.

In an October 2007 speech, Obama pledged to "turn the page on a growing empire of classified information, and restore the balance we've lost between the necessarily secret and the necessity of openness in a democratic society by creating a new National Declassification Center."

Past is Prologue

One of Obama's most visible Senate actions on the open government front was his co-sponsorship of the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act, which went into effect Jan. 1, 2008 with the launch of USAspending.gov, a Web site that gives people access to information on government contracts, grants and other awards.

As an Illinois state senator, Obama co-sponsored the Verbatim Record Bill, requiring public agencies to video or audio record closed door meetings, The First Amendment Center reported, noting the law was the first of its kind enacted by any state.

Obama is the only remaining candidate to have signed the Reason Foundation's Oath of Presidential Transparency, and, according to The Washington Post he is the only leading candidate to have released his income tax returns.

Senator Obama your 100% wrong about Americans

John — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:50:28 EDT

Because you don't get it, but we live it, and until you live like the rest of us working class family folk you will never get it. I suggest you take a weekend off and bed down with a rural family trying to make ends meet and put food on the table. Until then your just another politician with lofty goals and fancy phrases. Annie Oakley Hillary Clinton may be, but remember this Senator Obama, Annie Oakley was born in a cabin in rural Western Ohio, so that's two slaps at rural Americans you made in the last few days. What you said and your reaction to the politics of your rival were down right childish and snobbish. Get out of your lofty cloud and down to earth where real people struggle to keep hope alive, and another thing Senator we are NOT scared or clingy or bitter, but WE ARE of a STRONG will and a STRONG heart!

LGBT - Obama/Clinton - I found a difference

BJM — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:57:08 EDT

Hey! I found a difference or two...

from speakout.com
Everything he's 'voted for or against' matches Clinton.

Also see comparision from
http://www.thetaskforce.org/downloads/reports/reports/final_candidates_positions.pdf

The Beginning of the Economy - Clinton

BJM — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:11:01 EDT

still getting info off speakout.com

would love any other links or information anyone has on Clinton.

The Beginning of the Economy - Obama

BJM — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:02:10 EDT

still getting my info from Speakout.com at this point in time...

Love any other links or articles that you know of.

A debate with McCain

BJM — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:11:30 EDT

again... been talking with a lot of people and just started this conversation...any thoughts anyone?

ME:

I think Obama v. McCain will be focused on McCain avoiding racist remarks and a lot of smiling from Obama.

I think Obama can probably beat McCain as a result.

I think Clinton v. McCain will be focused on McCain's constant aggression trying to trip Clinton up and Clinton effectively pointing out all the flaws in McCain's logic and rhetoric.

I think Clinton can probably beat McCain as a result.

Just how close is it?

BJM — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 12:42:28 EDT

Every week there is at least one article --- Obama beats Clinton in new poll... Clinton trails Obama against McCain in new poll... Clinton beats Obama in new poll on economy....Obama beats Clinton in new poll on war...

blah blah blah

Here's this week's announcement

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23918341/

This one was interesting to me because it addresses Ohio and Florida as two key states in the General election. In the end I think Michigan will be the key state this time around, but I don't disagree that these two states are critical for a democratic win in November.

So I ask... What do you think of this article? does it change your mind about which candidate you support? why or why not?

Personally, it made me think. It doesn't change my mind about who I support but it did make me look a little closer as to why I support them.

more on Iraq

BJM — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:44:13 EDT

Another discussion about Obama and his views on Iraq

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/obama_and_iraq.html

Abortion - Obama vs Clinton

BJM — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:21:10 EDT

Moving onto the topic of Abortion:

This is a difficult topic to quantify so I narrowed it down to introduced bills in the Senate only, that were pro choice or pro prevention as those are what Obama said he supported in 2004 and what Clinton has said she has always supported. All information is gathered from the Thomas Library Website and referring ONLY to Senate bills/resolutions starting Jan 1 2005 to keep things "fair."

The following are both Obama and Clinton:

s.1173 Freedom of Choice Act

Title: A bill to protect, consistent with Roe v. Wade, a woman's freedom to choose to bear a child or terminate a pregnancy, and for other purposes.

introduced on 4-19-07

Clinton was a cosponsor from the beginning.

Obama became one on 5-11-07.

it appears to still be under review.

s.2916 Unintended Pregnancy Reduction Act of 2006Title: A bill to amend title XIX of the Social Security Act to expand access to contraceptive services for women and men under the Medicaid program, help low income women and couples prevent unintended pregnancies and reduce abortion, and for other purposes.

introduced by Clinton 5-19-06 it has 12 cosponsors.

Obama IS one of them from the beginning.

(I think this became s.1075, which Obama does NOT cosponsor.)

s.20 Prevention First Act

Title: A bill to expand access to preventive health care services that help reduce unintended pregnancy, reduce the number of abortions, and improve access to women's health care.

Introduced 1-24-05

Clinton cosponsored from the beginning

Obama cosponsored as of 2-8-05

Became s.21

Title: A bill to expand access to preventive health care services that help reduce unintended pregnancy, reduce abortions, and improve access to women's health care.Both Clinton and Obama cosponsored since 1-4-07 s.res.162

Calls on Congress, on the 40th anniversary of Griswold v. Connecticut in which the Supreme Court held that married people have a constitutional right to use contraceptives, to take steps to ensure that all women have universal access to affordable contraception.

introduced 6-7-05

cosponsored by Obama and Clinton from the beginning.

---------------

The following are just Clinton:

s.1264 Compassionate Assistance for Rape Emergencies Act

Title: A bill to provide for the provision by hospitals of emergency contraceptives to women, and post-exposure prophylaxis for sexually transmitted disease to individuals, who are survivors of sexual assault

Introduced on 6-16-05

Clinton was a cosponsor from the beginning (there are 11 co sponsors)

Obama is NOT one.

Became s.1240 I believe…

Title: A bill to provide for the provision by hospitals receiving Federal funds through the Medicare program or Medicaid program of emergency contraceptives to women who are survivors of sexual assault.Clinton introduced on 4-26-07Obama is not a co-sponsorThere are 7 co sponsors at this time s.res.485

Title: A resolution to express the sense of the Senate concerning the value of family planning for American women.

Calls for Congress to: (1) help women, regardless of income, avoid unintended pregnancy and abortion through access to affordable contraception; and (2) support programs and policies that make it easier for women to obtain contraceptives.

introduced by Clinton on 5-22-06.

It is co-sponsored by 17 other senate members and is still under review.

Obama is NOT a co-sponsor.

s.1075 Unintended Pregnancy Reduction Act

Title: A bill to amend title XIX of the Social Security Act to expand access to contraceptive services for women and men under the Medicaid program, help low income women and couples prevent unintended pregnancies and reduce abortion, and for other purposes.

introduced by Clinton 3-29-07 to prevent unwanted pregnancy and abortion.

It is cosponsored by 8 other senate members and is still under review.

Obama is NOT a cosponsor.

S.2108 Emergency Contraception Education Act of 2007

Title: A bill to establish a public education and awareness program relating to emergency contraception.

Introduced 9-27-07

Clinton is a cosponsor from the beginning

Obama is NOT a cosponsor

s.844 Family Planning Services Act

Title: A bill to expand access to preventive health care services that help reduce unintended pregnancy, reduce the number of abortions, and improve access to women's health care.

introduced by Clinton 4-19-05 with 2 cosponsors.

Obama is NOT one of them.

It is related and linked to s.20

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Obama has not introduced anything of his own to support pro-choice.

Obama / Clinton re: Iraq

BJM — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:46:38 EDT

An older article worth sharing if you haven't seen it...

http://www.health08.org/sidebyside_results.cfm?c=5&c=11&c=16

Campaigning for the Illinois Senate seat in 2003 and 2004, Obama scolded Bush for invading Iraq and vowed he would "unequivocally" vote against an additional $87 billion to pay for it. Yet since taking office in January 2005, he has voted for four separate war appropriations, totaling more than $300 billion.

Last June, Obama voted no to Senator John F. Kerry's proposal to remove most combat troops from Iraq by July 2007, warning that an "arbitrary deadline" could "compound" the Bush administration's mistake. And last week, he voted for a Republican-sponsored resolution that stated the Senate would not cut off funding for troops in Iraq.

...

John Cabral, a member of the Oak Park Coalition for Truth and Justice, an anti war group in suburban Chicago, said Obama now seems more concerned with avoiding Republican accusations of harming the troops than ending the war. "It's disappointing that he got swallowed up in the Senate in his two years there," Cabral said. "He didn't do some of the things we would have liked him to. He is worried about his political future."
......
As a Senate contender in October 2003, with the Senate on the verge of approving the $87 billion war budget, Obama told the Chicago Sun-Times that approving additional funds "enables the Bush administration to continue on a flawed policy without being accountable to the American people" or to the troops.

A few weeks later, at a Democratic forum outside Chicago, Obama said that he would have "unequivocally" voted against the $87 billion "because, at a certain point, we have to say 'no' to George Bush." As Democrats, "If we keep on getting steamrolled, we are not going to stand a chance," he said.

Nevertheless, Obama had muted some of his strident criticism of the war even before arriving in Washington. In 2004, Obama defended pro war votes by Kerry and Edwards, that year's Democratic presidential ticket; although he thought the invasion was wrong, "there is room for disagreement," he said.
......
He has ramped up his criticism of the war since then and is now pushing a bill that sets a goal of withdrawing combat troops from Iraq by the end of March 2008. But unlike Kerry's withdrawal plan, Obama's bill would not set firm deadlines and would allow troops to remain in Iraq if the government meets specific benchmarks.

As last week's vote attests, Obama opposes using Congress's power of the purse to force the war to end. That's a deep disappointment to some liberals, who recall Obama as a Senate candidate speaking forcefully at antiwar rallies.
.....
Obama, who has consistently said that he would have voted no based on what he knew at the time.

But Obama has often added a caveat: He did not have access to the classified intelligence that members of Congress saw, and he might have voted differently if he had.

Come'on Baby, Let's do the Twist!

BJM — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:00:10 EDT

Okay... um excuse me... but, um.

I'm confused again.

So when this all started Obama's camp was claiming they got the undecided votes and the liberal republican votes. By saying that he was seen as a person who unified the country and crossed party lines.

hmmmmm

So, coming to the present, Mississippi exit polls show that 13% of the democrats who voted used to be Republicans and that CLINTON was the candidate of choice for that population. By saying that she is seen as a case of the Republicans manipulating the caucus to get the candidate elected that they can beat.

I don't get it. Why is it okay for him to get the Republican vote but it isn't okay for her to get it?

.... sometimes the posts on this site make my head spin....

We fight the fights we can win - Clinton '08

what happens when we attack

BJM — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:31:30 EDT

It is easy for emotions to get out of control and our beliefs in one candidate over another can cause us to say things that damage our candidate or even party far more than it helps our arguement.

Newsweek had this article:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/120070

It highlights a key thing I have seen here. I know we can get mean - I know we through around loyalties and middle names. And, yeah, I realize we taked about being more civil a couple weeks ago... but this article really accents the main reason to keep things respectable when discussing the issues or trying to get out the vote in states that have yet to hold their primary/caucus.

Thank you for reading

FL & MI - the HOT topic of the MONTH

BJM — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:54:32 EDT

Look - I hate to say this ...

BUT EVERY VOTE SHOULD COUNT!!!!

call me young, call me crazy, but EVERY VOTE SHOULD COUNT!!!

What is the matter with everyone ... I don't care if FL and MI voted for NADER to be president... they are part of "WE THE PEOPLE" and they should have a say just as much as the next guy.

They should get a re-do... and the DNC should help pay for it... 50-50. They should both have a caucus that assigns 49% of the delegates and a primary that assigns 51% of the delegates.

Not counting them is what divides us. If the DNC told me I didn't matter, I'd be far more willing to vote Nader or McCain. Luckily, the DNC likes my state. Why WHY would ANYONE vote for a party that doesn't think their vote counts?

Use some logic people. Treat everyone equally!

Dean and the DNC are being stubborn to teach a lesson and all they are going to do is hurt democracy and alienate thousands and thousands of Americans.

Why is everyone so against allowing MI and FL to count?

delegate counts

BJM — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:26:39 EST

I was just looking at this site

http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/delegates/index.html

and I a little "detail" caught my eye. Many states haven't actually assigned the delegates yet. They will assign them at the state convention. That means the percentages for Obama and for Clinton could change.

I strongly encourage everyone to stay in touch with their elected delegates in these states. Keep your elected delegate aware of your vote and help make sure they continue to represent the votes of the people.

The last thing anyone would want is their delegate suddenly switching teams and voting for the other candidate, right?

or maybe you've changed your mind, maybe you were a Clinton supporter and now you want Obama... or maybe you were Obama and now you want Clinton...

In a race as close as this one, everything is constantly changing. It is even more important that - if you have an "undecided" delegate, or a delegate for a candidate no longer running, you need to let them know where your vote lies and help them make a decision.

It's not too late - stay in touch with your delegate and get the word out. It's too close to assume anything.

Obama and Clinton Legislative Efforts - Iraq

BJM — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:58:44 EST

I'm going to take a page from Obama's book and copy "democrat in Los Angeles" to say I agree with what they shared, and it was an important link... but i'm going to go a little deeper.

Obama joined the Senate Jan 2005, here is what his site shows for his Iraq stance and what he has done about it.

http://obama.senate.gov/issues/iraq/

Clinton has been there far longer - which is why she was there to vote "incorrectly" in the Fall of 2002. Here is what her site shows about her stance on Iraq and what she has done about it.

http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/iraq/

For those of you against WAR in general, I encourage you to look at the two candidates and what they have done for Afghanistan.

I also encourage you to compare what they have done for the families of war fatalities and for the care of those that have returned from their duty abroad.

(no i did not put those links up)

Houston, we have a problem - the 3 a.m. call

BJM — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:27:46 EST

FEAR TACTICS-
The Republicans have jammed fear down our throats for 8 years, it is why we are at war. It is why Obama is willing to go into Pakistan (if Pakistan won't do it themselves) without permission to get rid of Al Qaida. It is why the American People believe Al Qaida is out to get us. It is why congress allowed The Patriot Act to pass. Shame! Shame! Shame on Clinton for using FEAR tactics!

This message says something different to me.

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History:
When 9-11 happened, Bush didn't and couldn't respond right away. When Katrina happened he waited days before making a comment or visiting.

I was abandoned by Bush's lack of response - lack of concern.

Present:
On Super Tuesday, when tornados were hitting the Midwest, Clinton responded in her speeches that SAME night. Clinton thanked the voters for battling the storm and gave understanding and sympathy to those who lost homes and loved ones. It took until Wednesday for Obama to notice.

I was abandoned by Obama's lack of compassion on Super Tuesday.

When the motorcycle driver in Clinton's motorcade was killed, Clinton stopped campaigning right away to be with his family.

I was insulted by Obama's supporters' cold and hateful remarks about Clinton's reasons for leaving the campaign trail.
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It isn't fear that makes me want to know who is answering that call at 3 amâ�¦
It's compassion and the belief that America deserves better.

Have a Heart - Clinton '08

Who really has the lead? McCain????

BJM — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:36:40 EST

Since I didn't copy the link correctly, I'm going to post the entire article but it came from CNN politicalticker.

It says McCain is statistically tied with Obama and that he has a clear lead over Clinton. I personally don't understand the math. A plus or minus 3 percent means McCain and Obama could just as easily be McCain 47% and Obama 39%... It also means they could be McCain 41% McCain and 45%.

To me that shows it could go either way.

For McCain and Clinton it could just as easily mean McCain 43% and Clinton 43% or it could mean McCain 49% and Clinton 37%. Which to me shows McCain may have a stronger lead but it is stil unclear.

Another thing I find interesting is the percentages match up exactly. In the Obama and McCain vs the Clinton and McCain you get a total of 86% --- that leaves 14% unaccounted for which is more than enough to put any of the candidates far ahead of the others.

So all these statistics mean to me is that it is a tight race AND that until a dem is choosen the dem party will be split on how to answer this question when they are polled.

As for the other statistics, these are more informative. With overall approval we again see that Clinton and Obama are close but the part that gets confusing is the next paragraph.

MCCAIN HAS AN ADVANTAGE ON THE TOPIC OF IRAQ. --- Okay now there is a problem. I ask everyone, why do you think that is? (I have answers of my own and I'll start a different post for that)

CLINTON HAS A 19 POINT ADVANTAGE ON OBAMA OVER THE ECONOMY --- wow, that's interesting too. Of course I agree with this, but I'm a Clinton fan, but I didn't realize so many Obama fans agreed with this (and yes, statistically, they'd have to for her to have that great of a lead)

Yet despite Obama trailing McCain in popularity, trailing McCain on the topic of Iraq, and trailing Clinton so GREATLY on the topic of the economy, he still has a 6% (+/-3%) advantage over Clinton... Which by the way means if you take 3% from Obama and give 3% to Clinton... THEY ARE TIED!

I ask - beg -
If you are going to follow the polls, read them carefully. This race isn't over yet, it is just the beginning.

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